All-in question

14 Nov
2008

OK, it's Friday, and your day/week is wrapping up, and you're sitting there without a whole lot to do right?

I have a question for you, and I need an "all-in" type of participation here. Your lurkers and RSS readers need to come on over and chime in on this one. This is the beginning of something you might have the opportunity to shape and mold over time. Here's the deal.

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I want to start up a small group in my church, and I'm searching for some best practices. Let me give you a little background first, then tell you what I'm looking for.

  • Our church is in a rural area that is growing into a suburb of the DFW metro area. Because of this, we have a sometimes weird mix of outlooks and attitudes. Everything from the local farmer to the young upwardly mobile suburbanite.
  • Our "main" small group structure at this time is the typical Baptist Sunday School program. For lots of reasons, I don't want anything I do through a small group to detract from Sunday School. If anything, I want it to be something that ultimately benefits not only SS but the entire church body.
  • There is some resistance to small groups, specifically because of fear of detracting from SS. The thought from some is that small group members might say to themselves "I've got my small group Bible study, why should I bother going to SS?" I think that's a valid question, and am interested on ways to best address the issue.
  • Small groups have not really been offered as a "non-official" thing before. Meaning, that anytime we've had other small group type things going on, they are always a Sunday night/Wednesday night meet at the church building type of affair. Starting a small group that meets in my home on a regular or semi-regular basis would be a brand new animal to most folks here.

So, with that background information, let me give you what I'm thinking about and looking for in terms of input.

  • Our church body, for the most part, is really not involved in one another's lives beyond the Sunday AM experience except for close intimate friendships and family members. Of course, there are exceptions to this, but it is the general order of things.
  • Sunday School attendance and participation, in terms of percentage, gets worse the younger the generation. In the 20 to 25 year old category, SS attendance is abysmal. Small groups MIGHT be the answer to getting more involvement from this age group, but again it needs to be done in conjunction with growing the SS class.
  • I've been a part of different small groups in the past, and have even started some up. I don't want to just do what's been done before just because that all I know. Those of you who've participated in small groups, especially those who have help form such groups, I need you to chime in with your ideas. Tell me what worked and didn't work for you and your group. Talk about everything from locations, to bible study, to food choices, to meeting frequency, to prayer, to sharing of burdens and confession. I want to know it all.
  • How did you start up your group? Was it by general invitation to just see who would show up? Did you invite a target audience? How did you grow your group? How were new people integrated into the group?

I'm starting this thing from the ground up, so I don't even have any kind of team or core group in place yet. As this begins to form and begin its journey, I'll be posting regular updates kind of like I do for the worship confessional. I really do want everyone's insight and thoughts on this as it moves forward. I'm targeting the launch of this group to be just after the New Year.

I really feel that intimate relationships are a real missing element in our local body. There are some relationship atrocities that have hit us lately that would have been less likely to happen if the people involved had been part of a small group that had some voluntary accountability and burden sharing.

Small groups also seem to fill a niche in the lives of the younger generations where the traditional church structure fails. I see so many people in our community who are moving in and don't have any kind of connection with church. A small group structure might just be the bridge to reaching out to some of those families while building and discipling our core at the same time.

Please don't leave me hanging here readers. I'm looking forward to your thoughts and insights. Help me build a new ministry from the group up without reinventing it all.

Clarification: Based on some of the comments so far, let me clarify what this endeavor is going to look like. We are not, as a church, launching a church-wide small group effort. It is my hope that this ministry will catch fire across the congregation and become wide spread, but at the moment I'm going it alone on this because of the reasons stated above.

This is part of why I'm being so careful and asking for advice and insight. I don't want to start up a small cell group within the church that becomes a church all its own in competition with the existing ministries. My goal is to grow those people who will become a part of it so that we will better serve our Lord, our church, and our community. If it detracts from rather than builds the church body, I don't want to do it.

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15 Responses to All-in question

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Shannon Lewis

November 14th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

Here's, honestly, my entire theory of small-groups… take what works for you, and what you think is Biblical:
http://4whatitsworth.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/discipleship-part-1/
http://4whatitsworth.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/discipleship-part-2-my-story/
http://4whatitsworth.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/discipleship-part-3-a-model/
http://4whatitsworth.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/discipleship-part-4-does-it-work/

I've also got a series of posts on what the goal of discipleship/small groups is called "mature in christ"

Hope those help…

Shannon Lewiss last blog post..Saint Lewis, live at the Rooftop…& a cool article about our church

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Amanda

November 14th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

I don't have a lot of input for you specifically, but I will say this, which came to my mind:

Our small group ministry at church started with a bang, and it was great. It seemed we had a lot going, at least compared to now. I would say, after getting the hype up about small group ministry, keep it sounding exciting when you talk about it to the church as a whole. Have testimonies that came out of small groups to share (you could at this point bring some from other churches, but use those from your own when you have them).

Also, having different topics for the specific groups will help garner interest as well. Also, have those who have been in (or are in) small groups be encouraged to invite others who are uninvolved. This I think is a good way to get other interested, especially since they'd then know someone in the group and not feel as uncomfortable.

Will be praying for you and your endeavors!

Amandas last blog post..Compassion Friday

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Scott Magdalein

November 14th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

I have no experiential input, since I'm a worship pastor and not a groups-starter. However, I will pray for you fervently that God will use your entrepreneurial spirit to further is kingdom and purposes. Be blessed.

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KevinIC3

November 14th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

You've got my support in whatever way I can help to break us out of our rigid "but we've always done this" mold…

KevinIC3s last blog post..Sometimes you park it!

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Ben

November 14th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

A must that we've found with launching any type of church-wide campaign is making sure to launch with a coinciding weekend series that encourages everyone in your church to get into a small group at least thru that series. It's worked so well for us that we've decided that once a year we will do some sort of campaign which creates the opportunity for people to get plugged into a group.

When the series starts you have every small group doing the same material for those 4-5 weeks.

It's a short-time commitment for people to "try out" a group and at the end of the 4-5 weeks, be sure to give people the option to stay in or try out a different group….and express that there's no hurt feelings over leaving a group…just provide an opportunity and a way for people to possibly connect with another.

Getting good leaders who can commit to it is key…and can be most difficult. Starting out, we enhanced the aspect that it's more of a "hosting" role and "coordinating" more than a "teaching" role for the leader. The "teaching" word tends to scare folks off from stepping up in leadership.

Our small group ministry started in 2004 with a 40 Days of Purpose campaign from Saddleback. It took off and has become a key way for our church to shepherd the body.

Have fun! ;)

Bens last blog post..Worship Recap 11/9/08: A Gut Check

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janowen

November 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

Jeff, I have been a part of 11 small groups through the past 10 years. More than I wanted actually! My husband used to be the small groups pastor so if a new group got started or one was in trouble, we got to deal with it.

If you are only starting ONE life group, then I'd invite people that would naturally have some affinity for being together and MOST OF ALL want to be there so I think some sort of target makes it more likely to succeed. I will be honest, according to research a church cannot support both small groups and Sunday School – you're asking your people to do too much……and generally if given both choices people will choose ONE, but not both. I think we should be okay with that. I mean if they are getting their needs for discipleship met in one way, then we should be rejoicing!

If you can get one up and running and be successful you can launch another one out of that next year after an appropriate amount of time.

I'd start with something interesting – marriage, spiritual disciplines, a felt need. Andy Stanley has some great DVD series on making wise choices "The Best Question Ever" and marriage "iMarriage" that are very discussion oriented. Ruth Barton has a great book on Spiritual Disciplines that might lend itself to a small group discussion : Spiritual Rhythms. Make sure everyone knows its confidential and dive in! I'd have food cause that just loosens people up. Generally speaking, more than 14 people and it gets unruly and people cannot share either.

Meeting in homes is best. We tried one in a room at church – it just doesn't have the same warm vibe. It failed. We usually have the host provide the meal the first two weeks then have people sign up to take turns when they know for sure they want to commit.

Weekly is best. We've tried other things and people just get confused when you try every other week, etc.

I'm not sure you can invite people to this and then require them to also attend SS………that might really keep people from attending. Just my thought.

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Gene

November 14th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

For that age group, say 20-25, you could start with maybe a teaser for the SS class. Give some background on the subject for the next SS class, but not the lesson itself. That might build curiosity, and as for getting them there… folks that age will show up for 2 things, food and entertainment. Perhaps a volleyball game, or other youthful endeavors. I will leave that to you, I am far from that age group, but I have children that age…
Just some thoughts from a rambling old man… good luck, and Praise God for your concern!!!

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Jeff M. Miller

November 14th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

@Amanda: @Scott Thanks for the prayers. Those will be more beneficial than anything else. I hope you'll keep with me as I go down this road.

@KevinIC3: Hey, think you and Debbie might have time to be a part of the core group? It may get pretty intense, but in a good way.

@Ben: Funny thing is, and this might be anecdotal, but our down turn started when we did 40 Days of Purpose. I can't explain why, be we literally saw a +35% downturn in attendance by the end of the 40 days, and we've never really recovered. Hopefully, you saw my clarification statement I added to the post. This is not a church-wide rollout, but rather my own personal effort to do something for our church and community. I would much rather see a church-wide effort, but the support/ability is not there. I'm hoping this will expand into a church-wide thing.

@Gene: Thanks for stopping by. I'm kind of in the same boat. I'm still considered pretty young, but I myself am on the upper end of the age groups I'm initially targeting. I think that is one of the problems with our current ministries, is that they don't appeal to or are not perceived to be of benefit to the younger generations. Our little rural community is not equipped to deal with the mindset of the web 2.0 generation.

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Jeff M. Miller

November 14th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

@Shannon Lewis: Wow, Shannon, thanks a lot. I'll read up on it all. I had to pull your post out of spam oblivion, probably because of the links.

@Jan: My gut already told me what you said about a church being able to support both a Sunday School and a small group program. I also agree that, if they're getting discipleship, it shouldn't matter if it's Sunday morning or some other night in a home. We as a church should be rejoicing and supported. However, honestly, I'm in a position where that won't be encouraged, so I've got to do the best I can. That's a prayer request all it's own right there.

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Dean Lusk

November 14th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Jeff, I agree with this comment: "I really feel that intimate relationships are a real missing element in our local body." That's one thing that I think small groups foster (the relationships; not the missing element). What you're talking about is essentially the exact thing I'd like to see in our church, and we're taking baby steps to get small groups (in addition to SS) rolling.

We've begun these with our worship team, only once a month so far, but the team is already deepening spiritually because of it.

We've also gotten a couple of men's small groups started in the early AM at Starbucks, and those are way more close-knit (and with deeper discussion) than any SS class I've been in. Probably because the people all want to be there and make great effort to do so.

Interested in reading further comments. Jan is a great resource on this, by the way. Have talked with her briefly about it before. I've found that our "master plan" is going to have to be long-term, and patience is something I struggle with sometimes.

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Lewis Moore

November 15th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

A good way to start is by letting each person introduce themselves to the group. Let the first meetings be just a time of fun, food and fellowship and then when you get the Bible Study started then people will open up more.

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charlotte scales

November 15th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

what about a "young adult supper club" to start with? the younger crowd may be responsive to it, and at the same time, the title isn't as threatening to the sunday school groups. eating together can help build community in that age group (that you seem to be lacking)…and having a short devotional during that time would be very appropriate. it could provide the basis for some deep friendships …and all involved may end up in sunday morning study in the end!

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Joseph Louthan

November 16th, 2008 at 1:11 am

I wanted to be a part of a Bible Study that did for real expository bible study.

I couldn't find one in my 15,000 member church. So I started one by asking one college student if she would be interested in it.

She gave me the whole "hmm not sure if I have the time whatever" statement.

Two weeks later, she says, "You know that bible study you were thinking about. YOU HAVE TO START IT UP. I NEED TO STAY IN THE WORD. PLEASE HELP ME!"

My girlfriend says "I need that type of group. I will host."

My friend and his wife, "We need that type of group even though we are the only married couple there."

My other friend responds, "I need that type of group. I will lead worship."

Apparently, we all need God's word. Desperately.

We started in the Book of Ruth. Finished in four weeks. At the end of that four weeks, our group has double in size.

I was called to be a Teacher. I yearn to preach and teach the Bible. That is all I bring to the table. God had bigger plans.

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Dan Koon

November 16th, 2008 at 9:22 am

Jeff,
We're faced with the exact same dilemma at out church. A mix of older, traditionalists vs. a younger, more progressive group. My opinion is that the ultimate success of the small group (building community and benefiting the church as a whole) is based on the "membership" each small group. I feel that there needs to be a mix of maturity, experience, etc… in order to benefit the church, as a whole. Otherwise, factions begin, and negative viewpoints are highlighted. I've formed good relationships with people that never would have given me the time of day because were were thrust into a situation that demanded mutual participation. Consequently, there was mutual accpetance and personal growth in the previously mentioned areas.

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joymark

November 16th, 2008 at 9:50 am

@Dan: That's something I've thought about as I get more into this. I know I could probably get a sampling of people in a small generational range to show up (at least initially), but one of the things I'd like to see happen with this is not only bible study, fellowship and accountability, but some cross-generational community as well.

Did you have to "assign" specific people to the small groups? Did you invite a wide range of people and just saw who showed up? I'm not sure I'm going to get a whole lot of inter-generational interaction with what I'm trying to form. I'm thinking this might happen later down the line, but I am concerned that it might never happen if I don't plan for it and try to build it in as a goal from the very start.

Any ideas you have on the matter would be extremely appreciated.

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